Welcome to Modern Anarchy, the podcast featuring real conversations with conscious objectors to the status quo.
I'm your host, Nicole. On today's episode, shamanic practitioner, indigenous traditional healer and doctoral student, a kinkei Lucas joins us for a conversation all about reclaiming the afro feminine energy. Together we talk about decoupling feminine energy from gender, the need for consistency in our spiritual practices, and the gift of rootedness within community. I really appreciated a kinkei's knowledge in the tales of feminine spirituality. I know that we have a lot of listeners on this podcast who have reached out to me through DMs on Instagram and other on Patreon and other ways to talk about how, yeah, y'all have equally experienced some spiritual trauma from our upbringings in religion. And you know that I have had my own fair share of interesting experiences with Christianity. In terms of my spirituality, I was told as a woman that I have to go through the authority of a man because he was closer to God and that a woman cannot be a preacher or a leader in the church.
And there's a whole history of discounting the power of women in organized religion. And that's why, at least for me, it has been so powerful to read one of the books that a kinkei mentioned during our conversation, right? Women Who Run With Wolves, which is all about the various cultural traditions and tales about the feminine power. And I would highly recommend checking that out for anyone who feels called to. And it's all about the wild woman archetype, which is connected to the intro song for this podcast.
I did not know about this book when I had originally created the podcast and wanted to use the wild, wild woman song as the intro. But hey, look at that. All things are just aligning and unfolding in my own journey. And yeah, it has been really powerful to see myself in a different light through a spirituality that is inspiring rather than causing harm or making me feel weak. And also, a kinkei talked about the importance of consistency in our spiritual practices. That is our soup that we are meant to make every day.
Y'all will understand we get into that later. And I just wanted to mention that one of the things that I do for my own spiritual practice is that I journal three pages every morning, whatever is on my mind. It originally started from the practice from The Artist Way, which is another great book I would recommend. And I've kept it ever since for the last two years now. And it's powerful. It's a mirror to your own head, you know, the thoughts that are running through there when you take the time to write down, you know, what you're feeling, what's going on that morning.
And also the power to direct those thoughts, right? Maybe I spend some time journaling on what I'm grateful for. Man, that has been the most healing thing I've probably ever done is focus my perspective on the good things in my life and not to discredit the bad and the reality of the yes and all of that.
But perspective is really important. And so I've definitely found journaling to be one of those healing spiritual practices for me. And so, you know, a kinkei brings up so much about trusting the intuition and finding those rituals for you with intentionality. And I hope that all of you listeners out there find something that is resonating with you from a kinkei's message. And whatever that is, I hope you honor that. And I hope you take up the call to take those next steps to integrate them into your own rituals and find your own practice that brings your spirit life. I really think our understanding of spirituality should be the things that give your spirit life.
And it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. So just honoring whatever that is for you and leaning into it today. Y'all, I hope you enjoy today's episode and tune in. Yeah, do you have any questions for me before we dive in? Nicole, tell me about yourself.
Yeah. I am just a human in this world doing my best that I can do to love everyone and figure out how to bring more joy and pleasure into the world. I study sex and relationships. So that's really like my area of focus. And then I'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology.
So I'm in school right now very much so. No, no, no, no, it's just a lot of people from some, how did we get here? I think Dr. Jo Lee, who I talked to about polyamory sent me to some people from Pacifica.
I believe that was the correct route. And then a lot of people from Pacifica chatted with me and then like there's just been like off full threads from them since all the guests get to nominate who comes on the show next. So, and I love that it's very fun when I let go and then the universe just brings me whoever's supposed to come on here. So to start with polyamory, huh?
I think we have a gathering of folks. Yeah, that and sexuality, I think was like the big thing. Technically the first episode I did was can of sexual, which was all about like how smoking cannabis can help like bring you into more juiciness with your sexuality. Okay, yeah, I just, I just smoke weed. I know you said cannabis but we know I'm old school and I'm from hood so we're gonna say weed.
Yeah, I don't smoke it, but I know it's a good idea. I know a lot of people do and relaxation, which I think is very important when you're bonding and connecting with someone else. Yeah, which is sexual in general is the highest form communication. So if you're able to let your guard down just a little bit and allow all those inhibitions to come out.
Let go of not trusting folks, then that's that's a good role and so we can do that for you. And then afterwards, dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, serve those munchies well. Right, you know what I'm saying?
Have a good dinner afterwards. So yeah, I can see how that's, how that relates. I can see that. Mm hmm, mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
Yeah, clinical psychology. It's been a lot of interesting roads. I'm just having a good time at this point and I feel like I'm hopefully bringing conversations that maybe need more space need more light up into the consciousness of all of us so that's kind of where I'm at. Okay, good, good. I don't have any questions.
I am a free thinker, free flowing type of person. And so wherever the conversation takes us, it's where it takes us, which means it was meant to happen. The answer guides us and all the things that we do. So they're guiding this conversation. So whatever comes out of us is meant to come out of us and it serves a purpose so absolutely, absolutely. I agree.
So I am ready. Because I could be here asking you 45 questions. What do you do with what you really want to talk about? Sure, sure, sure, sure. Well, I mean, I want to talk about whatever you want to talk about.
That's how I do this thing. So if there's something specific you want to talk about, I'm totally here to hold that conversation. I think it might be helpful to first kind of describe who you are, what you do. I know in the email to you had mentioned talking about Afro feminine, spiritual protection and cleansing because all that's related to sexual identity. I mean, all that sort of stuff. And if anything's coming up right now that you're like, no, this is where I want to go.
Also happy to facilitate that conversation too. Okay, well, my name is a Ken K Lucas. I am. I am a shaman practitioner. I am a indigenous traditional healer. I am a drama therapist associate.
I am also currently getting my doctorate but an integrative healing at Pacifica. And what else? That's the resume.
I'm back. Right, I have a background in special education. I am a foster child or I don't usually use the term former, because I believe that once you are a foster child that experience stays with you and makes who you are. So I am a foster child. I used to be a foster parent. I have two children.
I am 25 in my mind. So if you ever see me with my children, they're my siblings. I love that. I love that. You know, so if I can look and feel like I'm 25 and that's what we are today. So, um, so yeah, that's, that's what I do.
That's who I am. That's what I have done. I am currently traveling doing research for a organization. And so this is why I'm in Thailand.
Thailand is like my pit stop where I take time to write all my notes and get my writing done, like organization portion of it. And so, yeah, that's who I am. Right. I am a motivator, right. I am a beauty walker. I am someone who stands in the realm of transitions, holding that space.
And so this is a gambit of things that I do. I am a protector. Let me, let me say that I am a protector, right. I am a protector of elders of children of women of energy, right, that cannot protect itself. So I am all the things. I am all the things, right.
And then things that I'm not, and you know, I will learn what those are as I go. But yeah, so what I am excited to discuss, as you mentioned is the afro feminine, the afro feminine. Let me, let me say this, the divine feminine is closely to the same. I use the term afro feminine because I am African American.
So let me make I'm gonna say that different. I am black. And the reason why I'm switching it up a little bit is because the term black usually covered those who's from the slave trade and diaspora. And African Americans usually those who are born in Africa and have came over, but we have also taken on the name African American as well. So I'm African America because my roots are in Africa, right, but I'm a black person. And black people have their own culture. We're still, we have develop identity, right? And that identity has spread across the globe, right? And we have our own struggles that's different from those who are from Africa.
Some of them are the same, but then there's a lot that are different, right? And so I am a black person. And so I like to claim that and to clarify that because those terms are important. So when I speak of Afro feminine, I'm speaking of black people, right?
Of the Daxperan. And it could be in the Caribbean, they could be in London, they could be, you know, anywhere that the black Holocaust or the slave trade have taken place, right? They could even be in Africa and Ghana, right?
Because we have a lot of people who's returning back to the continent. We have people who was moved from the West coast of Ghana down to South Africa during the slave trade, right? And now they have been dropped off in South Africa. So now they're South African, right? So it could be those two, right? So black people.
Yes, yes. So the Afro feminine, while she is the divine, there's a difference in how we see her. First thing is we struggle with seeing her.
So that's the most important thing. As black people, we struggle with seeing her because slavery has stripped her from us. And when I speak of feminine or Afro feminine, I'm speaking of the energy, not the gender.
And so that also makes a difference. And Western philosophy, you find feminine is related to gender, right? The mother figure, the sister is a gender thing. And while we do still correlate the feminine with some form of gender, it's not gender itself, it's the energy. It's more like yin and yang, right? It's a dualism, right?
And so forth. So those who practice the African indigenous practices, that dualism is order and disorder, right? If you look at all the creation stories, when we speak of masculine and feminine, feminine is order, masculine is disorder. And so that dualism is there. So it's similar to yin and yang, but yin and yang is not order and disorder so much, but Afro feminine is, right?
And it is the gambit of different things as well. Let's just say it also includes the mother, the warrior, the protector, right? The assertive one, flexibility, receptivity, includes all those things, right? And so that's important to understand what she is, because it frustrates me when people, I get really excited to do it, who speak about the feminine in general, correlates her with gender. Oh, you're not acting feminine enough.
You had lost your femininity. Even those who acknowledge that feminine masculine is like yin and yang, they still correlate it with gender, right? They take those characteristics and be like, as a female, you're supposed to be passive and submissive, right? That's not feminine energy. That's not feminine energy, right? And then they also expect or have an idea or think that men can't have feminine energy, or if they do, then if they seem too feminine, like they cry, or if they do get really emotional, oh, they have a feminine energy. No, that's not feminine energy.
That's them not controlling their emotions. There's balance to everything. And so feminine energy, just like masculine energy, everyone has it, right? We have to learn how to balance those energies. And so we have to learn how to take order and place it in all the disorder and the chaos that the masculine has, and organize it and structure it, right? So that it can find peace, right?
Connected to, you know, the other realms to the answers that they can find joy and happiness. And so for black people, that's been stripped from us. It's been taken from us.
It's been written to have been taken from us. I mean, the Willie Lynch letter itself says, take the black female, break her, you break everything else, right? And the reason why they took the black female, the gender is because the female itself embodies all things, right?
To intuition, right? She's worth life. So in order for her to work life, she has to embody all things.
And so she is order in itself, right? Break the female, you break everything else, right? And so as black people, we are struggling with reclaiming the feminine, the afro feminine. And then another thing, but the afro feminine, the afro is the protector. She's not the protector of the physical. She's the protector of the mind, right? She's the protector of the psyche. You know, she's protected the soul. You know, she is the soul. You know, you know, you don't say she's the animal.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, young like, hey, you know, the woman's the animal, and you know, she crazy, but you got to get it together. And she's crazy because we have pushed her back. You know, and so we don't hear her, the unconscious part of that we don't hear her, right?
We can't tap into her. And so that's why people are afraid of her, right? People are like, Oh, no, I don't, I don't want to deal with the shadow because the feminine is the shadow.
Right. The feminine holds all the stuff that we don't want to deal with. But yet we also paint her as supposed to be pretty and cute.
And no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The feminine holds all the things that we don't want to deal with. But she also hold all the things that are beautiful as well.
Right. And so she's the protector of the mind. And for black people, because of what we have been through and still go through, yes, right, we still go through. We are trying to figure out how to protect our minds. And we don't know how to do that. Right.
Okay. So this is why I focus on protection, protection cleansing and the feminine, because I don't want to protect the body, right? And let the men do that. And when I say men, I'm talking about the gender, I'm talking about just the physicality of the earth of the world that you can touch the material, the matter. They can back and hold that space because that's what it's there for.
They protect the body of the temple. Great. That's been covered.
But what about this? Right. Black people have one of the highest mental health issues in the world.
Right. Our children are starting to starting to have a high mental health issues in the world, or in America, let me say that. We have one of the highest rate of foster care children. Now that's a systematic issue, because that's how we got there. The system has made us have one of the highest population in foster care.
The system has also made us have one of the highest population in the jail system, right? But with that, our mind is fragmented, is broken. So there's, I'm going to say it's broken, it's fragmented. Let me go back to this term fragmented.
It's fragmented. And so we're trying to figure out how to piece that together to make us whole again, right? And so this is what the first thing we have to do is protect our mind and protecting our mind means building our mind, right?
Putting back in what was taken out, right? And part of that is taking out culturally black people by nature. So we're trying to be righteous with the most kindest people in the world.
I'm being a little bit biased, but if you look at history, if you just look at history historical facts, we're like, oh, you need some bread and water, we give you bread and water. Oh, you didn't know how to do this. We'd be like, okay, let me show you how to do this. And then when you turn do something to us and betray them, we kind of cut your neck off. But our first instinct is to care for others, right? So we're the nicest people in the world. And we have built up a fortitude of anger, frustration, pain, and survival skills that's deeply rooted in masculinity, right? And so we have this one track mind of surviving only that's a linear thinking that's a masculine thinking is surviving only right just fixed on that.
And because we have gotten there by no choice of our own. We do not know how to be intentionally compassionate towards women. And as the term I'm as absent as intentionally, because we can be compassionate, and we don't know we're doing it right or our compassion comes off in a very assertive and in harmful way, right? And then our compassion is never for ourselves either. Right. And so that compassion and that grace we don't hold for ourselves.
We don't hold for our family we give it to a stranger. First, and so what that comes abuse, abuse. And so we need to build our minds are psyches to to bring in the feminine right, right in grounding.
And so we're not forcing, you know, keep us firm to the earth, bringing the compassion bringings the grace, and not neglecting the warrior spirit but take that warrior spirit, take that assertiveness and do it differently, not taking on the fighting mode, because there's so many ways to win the war. Right. And it's not always punching first. Right. It's not always hitting first. Right.
It's something else. Fighting is needed. Right.
Fighting needed, cutting the person's throat is needed. Right. But that's that mama bear energy. Mama bear don't come into play. And so her children been threatened. Right.
And when her children been turned to she wars. So we are now at a stage within the last 50 years that we don't have to roar that much anymore. Right. And I'm saying 50 years because guess what a pot just ended in South Africa. That's what 30 years ago.
Right. The oldest I just read an article the oldest, the last living slave just passed away and he was 90 something. The last living slave.
My best friend grandfather was 124 he just passed away a couple weeks ago. So he also was one of the last living slaves. So, and this was when they were five, six, seven years old, they were slaves. So we're talking less than a hundred years ago. And then right after slavery, they were segregation.
You know what I'm saying? Then right after that, you had redlining. Then right after redlining, you had a crack pic epidemic that was put into the communities. So within the last 50 years, we are now able to breathe just a little bit because we do have a cop still out here killing us. Exactly, exactly. But we are able to breathe just a little bit in order to try to build our mind where we are, we rewrote the way we're thinking and fighting and treating each other, right? And that's where the feminine comes in. Yeah. Emitting those archetypes, those frequencies to build our minds back up. And what that will do is that will be a trickle effect because again, I'm biased.
Yeah, do it. Black people in America, and you can jump in and say, yay, Nate, if you don't agree or whatever it is, but an answer, this could be a value your opinion. Black people may lead culturally. And so what black people do, eventually everyone else in America starts to do it too. They be like, oh, okay.
After they criticize it and call it something else, the next thing you know, they're doing it too. And so because of that, once we start building our minds back where it's helping, using that feminine, bringing her back to the forefront, or bringing her back in partnership with the masculine, right? Bring her back in partnership, you know?
Because everything has to be balanced. Once we start bringing her back in partnership, that would trickle down to the rest of the world. I said, well, right?
It would trickle down to the rest of the world. And so to me, that's important, right? To me, that's what needs to be done. Yeah, yes.
Yeah, right? I'm like, yeah, I mean, I probably was going on a tangent, my mind, you know, focus may have been here and there, but yeah, you know, not a tangent, you're speaking, and you're speaking an important message that needs to be shared. And I am just listening and learning, and I appreciate you sharing. Yes, keep it going. So yeah, that's my focus. That's my goal, is to bring the feminine back into partnership to help feel and protect the psyche, the mind of black people now that we have a space to breathe a little bit, because that's the space to keep growing and growing, right? So now that we hear, we now can start saying, hey, let's do A, B, and C. You know, how do we do that? How does that look, right?
And it can look a whole bunch of ways, you know? Here's the great thing about 2022, 2021 as well, is that the world in general have been slowly bringing her back anyway. And we're not even talking about the feminist movement. We're just talking about her practices and her traditions and her characteristics. We've been talking about mindful thinking, we've been talking about meditations, we've been talking about, you know, earthwork, right?
We've been talking about land. So we've been slowly bringing her back to the forefront anyway, you know? And you see it more because now they're like, oh, we need to do things about these females out here getting control, but it's not just females, it's everybody. It's males too, because the feminine is in everybody. You hear males doing yoga, they doing meditation, they doing affirmations, they doing, it's the feminine energy coming into play is more to her than that, yes.
But that's her coming back into the forefront, right? But those who sit so deeply rooted in the masculine, all they see is girl power, girl power, right? All they see is black girl magic, black girl magic.
Yes, we have black girl magic, yes, we have girl power, right? And so they trying to cut that at the neck, right? Before we have the abortion laws that kicked in, you know what I'm saying? That's where they kind of revisit about what women can and cannot do in the workplace and how they had to address and they try to do all these things right now because the feminine is stepping back up to the plate.
Yes. And they're getting nervous about it, right? They're getting nervous about it.
And not only are they getting nervous about it from a global aspect, right? Because you got to, I'm horrible with names and titles. That's okay. But I forgot what country is with the Muslim women is like, I'm taking off my hijab, my head wrap. Oh yeah. I'm covering myself, right? I have the right not to.
The young lady got killed because she took off her cover. But now there's a big bull test, right? Come on, this is a global movement that is going on.
Huge. Right, you see what I'm saying? So she's coming back into the plate.
Now we just need to do it more intentionally, right? And I'm not one for separation division. However, for those who experience trauma, we can't have the oppressor come in and try to teach or tell us or do or walk hand in hand with us because we're going to be totally triggered the whole entire time. So this is why I'm focusing on black people, right? This is why the Afro feminine got to come in because she has to bring order first. Yeah. Which brings that order in.
Then we can come by y'all with everybody else. But we still live in trauma in 50 years. You can't get over 400 years of abuse in 50 years.
It's just not gonna happen. And so because we still live in trauma and we still have a trauma placed on us, we have to bring order first to our psyche. And then like I said, then we can go with hands. Separation or division, it's just that when people trying to heal, you don't want the person who raped and raped and molested them and abused them. If you sit in the room, what they said, and they were the therapist and the doctor trying to heal, they're gonna be too busy looking at them like and jumping in because they're scared. Exactly. They're nervous to know what to expect, right? They don't trust what's gonna happen.
They can't let their guard down and heal, right? So it's not discrimination, it's not any of that. It's just that we have to focus on us first because we're still people, Jewish people didn't. I got great Jewish friends, but you know what they do as a community? They work together because they're trauma people. Just like we are.
And we gotta heal ourselves. So they, that tight fit community that works themselves before they go out and do anything else with people, right? I mean, they socialize, we ain't saying no one socializes stuff like that. We just talking about the healing aspects of it, right? And so that's what black people have to do too, right? That's what we have to do because we have to heal as a community because it was broken as a community. That's important to do.
Yes, yeah. And you're talking about in the last 100 years, I mean, what we know from some of even like the neuroscience research of epigenetics, right? Of like trauma being passed down.
Even if you weren't directly, you know, I mean, we're all being affected by that, but even if you weren't experiencing the trauma yourself directly, that can be passed down through generations. There's been some interesting studies that they did with mice where they conditioned the mice to be afraid of a cherry blossom smell. And then they bred subsequent generations where they didn't actually expose them to the sort of like classical conditioning for them to be afraid of the cherry blossom.
But for generations down, even those mice were afraid of the cherry blossom smell, just naturally from the genetics. Right, right. I was in a class, you know how to do continued education for things, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.
I know. For a class for one of my continued education for Jumbotherapy, whatever, whatever, whatever. And they was talking about epigenetics. They wasn't getting deep into epigenetics, but they was touching on epigenetics and about toddlers and in this social and, you know, upbringing how that affects you, et cetera, et cetera. And so one of the things that I was saying is that black people, people in general, all people do this, right? So I keep coming back to that because I want to make it clear that I'm not, I know everyone experiences, but I'm speaking focused on black people. Yes. Black people, we do things like pass down recipes, right? Everyone pass down recipes, but how I pass my recipe down to my daughter would be different to how you would pass recipe down to your daughter, right? My recipe is going to be filled with trauma. Your recipe is not. The way I see my food is a learned trade based on the trauma I experience, right?
Your experience of food is different. And so that's part of the epigenetics. That's part of generational trauma, right?
We don't recognize that. We don't know that because the thing about black people in America is we was breeded so quickly when we came to America, that our second, third, fourth, sixth generation happened within the first 10, 15 years of us being here. So by 15 years came, we was already in the fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth generation. And after like 15, 20 years after the first shift slave ship because we was breeded for that purpose. So our population is much bigger here and our generations in America is way, way, way down the line because of the breeding, right? And so when that happens, we pass things down by telling me we hear 400 generations later, 400 generations later, right? 380 generations later, we don't know why we do things. It's just what we do.
Why? Because that's how my grandmom taught me. That's how my mama taught me. That's how her mama taught her. That's how her daddy taught him. That's how his pappy taught him.
That's just what we do, right? It's just like language. Everyone has some type of accent, a dialect that they speak within their family. That's different than how they speak in the neighborhood. That's different than how they speak at work and school, right? You know, I may call my grandma the grandmother.
You may call your nana, right? It's just how we do things, right? But we don't realize that's trauma.
We don't realize that trauma, you know? Dr. Stacy Patton wrote a wonderful book years ago and people still get mad at her about this, but they be mad at her like, oh, no, what? About how black people originally do not spank their children. If you go to, I just left Africa a couple months ago.
I went to three different places in Africa and I sat around people with their children, their babies. No one spanked nobody. No one raised their hand. No one threatened them. No one, you know, yell at them in anger or frustration. They may have yelled because they were like, I don't know, you don't want to fall.
You're going to fall above your head. You know, stuff like that. You know, just a reaction. But not in anger, you know, not in frustration.
They didn't do any of those things, right? And so when I think of America and how we raise our children, we have no patience. We don't have any patience because we wasn't bred and programmed to have patience.
Right? We was bred and programmed to have fear. So how we raise our children is based in fear. Right? But we spank our children because we were the spank them before someone else spanked them.
Right? We were the beat them before they get out there and get killed. So we do all these abusive things in house first because we live in fear that when they step outside our door, the white person is going to do it. The cop is going to do it. The enslaver is going to do it. Somebody's going to do it and then we're going to be heartbroken because they took our loved one from us. So let me send them here.
So I don't have to worry about them when they get out the door. Here's the reality. That don't work. It don't work. But that's how we've been programmed.
Right? And we've been programmed to be abusive because we was abused and taught to be a certain way. And so we just passed that down. And that's what our book is about. And everyone hates it.
They're like, oh, no, you're not supposed to hit. We put it here. That's true. We've been hitting our children for years. We've been spanking our kids and my mama spanked me and look, I turned out all right. No, you trauma-filled. You are filled with trauma, but we don't recognize it because it's become part of our culture.
Right? And so there's some things about the culture that we have to break. We have to break kicking our children out the house at a certain age, making them out there homeless before they're 25, living on people's couches. That's still homeless because it's not theirs.
Right? We have to break out the fact that money is an important thing to have because we needed to survive. But how we get it doesn't matter. Happiness matters, right?
Even if we work it at McDonald's, if you happy and you can pay your bills at McDonald's, then pay your bills at McDonald's as long as you live in happiness and joy. You know, a lot of these things that we have to break out of because it affects our psyche. It helps how we do ourself, how we feel about ourselves, right? And if we're treating our children that way, we raise them to be inefficient adults, right?
And inefficient means hurtful and harmful adults. And that's not the world that we originally want to be or that we originally came from, right? And so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we just, yes, yes.
What did you say? I thought I was thinking, bless my wonderful heart. Yes. Are you a fan of music? I mean, I said seven brass with seven brothers. The musical. Yeah.
Yeah, no, no, no. I hear you. And I appreciate you bringing all of this into the space here because it's a powerful conversation that needs to be heard, right? Because you're talking about how do we bring these pieces together to protect our energy and to create a different future, right?
It's bringing up this conversation so that we can become aware of this and then move forward in a different direction. Right, right, right. And you could only do that by going to original roots. The original roots, right? Of indigenous practices. That's the only way you can do that because there's something so profound and heartfelt and wonderful when you bring indigenous traditions to the table, right? And the way they care. Right, at the root of it.
They care for everything, not just each other, but for the trees and the birds and the grass and the bumblebees and the mosquitoes. Oh, the hard one. That's the difficult one. Like you say, I say mosquitoes. They hurt me.
We're like, you want a day to day. The vital of the fittest. You know, they bless them if they have to kill them because everything has a cycle of life, right? So death is common. Death is a normal thing. Death is the next journey, right? You know, but if I have to take a life, let me bless that life on your next journey.
Right, so the intention is different. It's heartfelt. It's love. It's grounded in the idea that this is not an ending, but a new beginning, right? And so bringing that back to the table, the indigenous practices back to the table, is important, right? And those indigenous practices, if you look at any of them, deals with the feminine energy. They bring it back home.
Feminine energy. You know how you hear the story? Again, horrible names of title. What's the book? Woman that Runs with Wolves?
Baby, you're speaking to me. I'm reading it right now. I think that's the one that's coming to me. And we talk about the moon. We talk about the wolf, right? About the wolf energy, right? That's feminine.
How do you correlate? Think about it. We are less than you and I.
We're in between the ages of 25 and 50, right? And how do we know, our grandparents know, our grandparents, grandparents know, that the moon and the feminine energy in the water are all in the same cycle, or all correlates, right? Or they all may be one. And so when we talk about the moon, we talk about the woman. When we talk about the water, we talk about the woman or the feminine, right? When we talk about wolves, we talk about the feminine. And wolves are a very aggressive animal, right? But they pack animal, right? They communicate animal, right? And they're very protective animals. And they care about their youngs and their family. That's the feminine energy.
The wolf usually represents the feminine. So how do we know this? How do we just innately know this? Where does this idea come from? It's always been there. Like the universe has always been there. Because the feminine energy is order. So we're going to put it in there, and you're just going to know these things, or we're going to help you figure out these things, because it's important to know. And all indigenous practice do that.
It always brings it to the table with the feminine energy. I haven't met one, seen one, read one, researched one. And it's playing out there that I don't know anything about, right? But I haven't seen it yet that does not put that feminine energy in the center of everything. Yeah.
Right? Even if we start talking about the sun god, right? If you go far back enough, Ra was feminine. Now we don't want to talk about that for those people out there in Egyptology.
We don't want to talk about that if we go back far enough, right? Because you have Ra, the sun god, which in Greek, I can't Greek, Roman, mixed up to me is all the same thing. Who's the sun god in Greek?
That thought was lightning. What is his name? Oh, god.
Anywho. Yeah, I don't know. But if you go back far enough, and you have Ra, the sun god, you realize that they were originally feminine. It was a feminine energy. And then what they did was they changed it up, right? They changed it up because at a certain time period where they overthrown society that was ruled by the, it was matriarchal society, and they overthrown it. And we're not pretty often when they did that, they switched the Ra from being feminine energy, not feminine as female, but the energy component and the characteristics and personalities and the traits to be masculine because they wanted to line up with the patriotic system. So they couldn't have the feminine energy still in control, regardless of if it was a male or female body, they still, they couldn't have it in control when they try to make it match and correlate with all the rest of the patriotic system.
So they had to switch it up. Go back far enough. If I, if I, if I find a possibility, I, I, I, I, I send it to you. You have to get inside of it, right? You know what I'm saying? But it's like, it's always at the center. It's always at the center.
And then here's another beauty of it. I heard this earlier today, the men is always in the forefront. They always in the front because the most prize and value possession is in the center. And when the most prize and valuable possession is in the center, it needs to be protected. And so what is in the front is what's protecting the most prize and valuable entity, which is in the center.
So yes, you're going to always see men, right? Because they're physical components. They are physical components. They are at the animalistic level, right?
So they're going to always be ready to fight and roar and shoot and kill all those things because they are born to protect something valuable, right? And then energy, which is in the center of all things. It's just like your body, your body, this flesh protects your internal, your spirit, your soul, right? So this physical component, right, that we call the temple that you see every single day, you know, you see this first, you never see the internal, right? You feel it, you are aware of it because you think, you dream, yeah, one through your head and you be like, oh, where did it all come from? So you're very much aware of it, right?
But you never see it. Well, who's the internal, the feminine? And what does this outer shell does? Protect it because it's the most pried possession, right? And so we got to go back to that place in that feminine back in the center, right?
Have that physical protection around it, but we also got to build up the inner protection, right? You know, and that right there is bringing in different components depending on your religion is, right? You know, and that can be, you know, prayer, spells, Sure. It could be prayers or spells, however you want to say it, right? It would be rituals, affirmations, you know what I'm saying? Meditations. You know, daily work of reminders, consistently reminders to self, because we struggle with that, right?
It's like a diet. Yes. Yes, I need that every day. So we want to eat well, right? And so we be trying to eat well the first day we might be okay. The second day we might be okay. That third day we started to slip, right?
We get caught up doing work, doing whatever we forgot and just ate was in front of us, but then we went home and had a good meal, a nice healthy meal, because we got one meal in a day. But then the fourth day it happened again. And then the third day was two more versus one meal.
Or it was two snacks versus one snack, right? And so that's very hard to be consistent in your practice. Right? However, you have to be consistent with your mind. Because in two, you don't have to do it anymore because that changed you to take effect, right? And everybody is different and then vague a little broad or I'm saying things that people are already doing because everybody is different. And the way that I operate and work is I don't know how I can help you until I talk to your ancestors. Because remember how about epigenetic and generational trauma, right? And so what you're carrying around is not your own.
Yeah. Some of it is in your little lifespan that you don't walk around this moon, that part is, but then other stuff is not. And so how do I know what needs, what you need to do to help you until I talk to your ancestors, right? And so I sit in the room with you, you know, and feel and know what is going on, right? And so I'm being very vague about that because I don't know what you may need, right?
What they may need because while we may be a collective and we may have a collective trauma, we still experience it differently. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
So how, what you may need is going to be different. And so at the end of the day, there's still main things, main things we have to do. And being consistent is one of them. So if I say, hey, you have to consistently cook soup every single day. And soup means you have to have five ingredients in it or eight ingredients in it. And each one of those ingredients is things that you have to work on throughout the day.
That could be you saying a mantra twice a day. That's one ingredient. Right? That could be you doing a certain activity, right? Right.
That could be something as simple as sitting in the mirror and brushing your hair and embracing your beauty, right? So it could be, it's different from everyone, but that's an ingredient. So that's the third ingredient that you have to make every single day. And yes, you may hate soup. You may not want no soup as stew. It could be summertime at 90 degrees outside, but you got to make soup every single day and eat it for one of your meals.
You can eat other stuff throughout the day, but for dinner, you have to have this super stew and there's seven to eight different ingredients or five different ingredients that goes into this stew or soup that you have to eat every day, right? And be consistent for it for a certain amount of time. That could be 10 days, 21 days. That could be 21 months.
It depends. Right? You know, so.
These are different things. And I bring in soup and those agree because you know, soup, you'd be having all types of stuff. You'd be having beans and vegetables and, and, and, you know, tomatoes, you'd be having all types of things and soup and soup.
You can make all different types of ways, right? But soup is hearty. Soup is healthy. Right? And then soup is food that feeds the body.
Right? And then cooking. And then cooking. Is an energetic. It's a feminine, energetic ritual. Right?
And, and men cook. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I know a lot of men are cooking better than me. Yeah, same. Very much the same. I mean, like, so that's not a gender role thing. That's an energetic frequency, but it's also a feminine energetic frequency because cook brings things together. It brings. Ingredients together for flavor, for a different vibration, for a different purpose. Right? It brings people together.
For a different vibration for a different purpose. Right? And so cooking deals with collectivity. And so cooking is a ritual. That's the feminine.
And then we're talking about ritual cooking also is a ritual. That's that feminine energy. So simple little things like that. Right? Well, we don't think nothing of it.
You know, last time we went to do this big and crazy different rituals, or we got to do all these other things that we think is, you know, go and go bathing a river on a full moon. Make it six day. It's a good day. Right? Yeah.
We're white and purple and have all these other things. But even with that, there's cooking involved. You got to eat. Well, it's not that you got to eat. You got to do offering. It's not that you got to eat. You got to do offering. Or. If you're not doing offering.
You need certain herbal remedies to use when you do them. Right? So that means you got to collect items. Put them together. Just like cooking.
Right? And it all has to be natural items. So we talk about plants and herbs and in liquid liquids and minerals and things like that.
So cooking is a feminine energy. Right? That's the characteristics. That's a behavior.
That's a trait. That's the ritual that we don't do every single day. And we think nothing of it.
We don't understand the importance of it. Right? And so something simple as that. You had to make soup every day. And you looking at me like, well, I got to make soup every day. And I sit here and give you the five ingredients. I said, you know what? You can make any kind of soup you want, but whatever you make, you got to use these five ingredients in the soup.
Right? And I sit there and give you the ingredients of that soup. And then as you make it the week later, so I tell you what each ingredient means for you spiritually.
You see what I'm saying? So I tell you, you got to use black peppers. The reason why you got to use black pepper. I tell you that you have to have spinach in it. The reason why you have to have spinach in it. You know what I'm saying? And so you got to make this soup with black pepper, spinach, potatoes, and two other items.
You know, I'm just throwing stuff out there. And all of them has a spiritual reason. All of them has a healing component. And we're not talking about physical. We're talking about spiritual.
Right? And as you make these soup, you may have to do something. You may have to sing a song. You may have to do something. You may have to do something. You may have to do something. You may have to do something. That's another greeting right there.
You may have to sing a song. I don't know. But these are very simple things that we overlook. I don't think nothing of it. And we're like, this is stupid.
I'm not doing this. But it changed. Lives.
It changed lives. You see what I'm saying? And then you may have to go to the gym. That's something that I'm a venture. I don't have the day. They didn't tell me how to do it now, but I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to do the gym.
It's coming for you. You know, you need to. You know, you may have to go dance. You might have to take up a martial art. You might have to take up a defense class.
You had to do something. At a client when I told her I said I need you to either take a boxing class, a defense class or go to the gym and learn or hit a bag. She was like, what? I was like, hey, it's not me telling you to do this. You know, they say this is what you need to do.
Right. And I think I don't know how long it went. She didn't do it in the beginning, but then she's like, okay, I'm going to go do them. You know, because I asked, did you go do it yet?
Yeah. You be a hard headed. Okay, you won't be hard headed. Okay.
Sit back and watch me hard at it. Eventually, they went one time. They went and then they went again. And they realized that two things had started happening. One, they started to be able to sleep better.
Right. They started being able to sleep better. And then two, they didn't feel so frustrated throughout the day, so angry throughout the day. Right. They still get at their moments, but they wasn't as consistent. Right. Then it was before. Yeah. And I said, oh, maybe that's why they told you to start going to the gym.
Why? Because physical activity for some people has to be very intense, because the trauma they holding needs to move intensely out of them. So punching a bag, kicking and fighting is the way that you need to get it out. Right.
And then you have to wait and scream while you're doing it. So that's part of your soup that you're making, right? That you have to do throughout the week or what other the ingredients is, you know, and so, hey, go to the gym, fight.
Don't fight people, fight the bag. Yeah. You know, if you can change and we don't realize that it will, right. Or some people just need to be able to walk every day.
Right. And they're like, oh, I already walked. Yeah, but you don't walk like you're supposed to walk. Yeah, right.
Intensity. Yeah, I, I, I recently had someone I said, are you out in your yard? Do you, do you go in your yard? They was like, here we go out there. I saw us was the upkeep on your yard.
And it was like, oh, we do ABC. I said, no, you need to be in your yard. You need to be in your yard for some, some people because it's a releasing, right. And it's a communion as well. It's a communion as well. Right. And so I don't know everyone is different. Right.
And how that feminine energy wants to be brought in, how your ancestor wants you to work on your protection and your cleansing is different. Right. But there's always three components. Protection and cleansing of the mind, which means we're dealing with the feminine energy.
those three components, which is the most important things in the world right now. I'm like, that's enough. Yeah. Give me the floor. Yes, yes.
I love that I was going to ask you too, like, how do you start to implement this? And I didn't even have to ask. You just knew you were going.
The connection is there. Yeah, it's a struggle for me sometimes because I've been like, at the end of the day, we are human, right? Having this as we have the new term is having this human experience.
I often I get imposter syndrome. Right. I'm a black person who experienced trauma. And one of the trauma is that black people are not good enough. Right. Especially black women, we're not good enough. And I'm a foster kid.
Right. Am I not good at it? For whatever reason it is, whether I experienced from a family or experience from the system, the self and the people that I've lived with and from house to house, I get that. I get a foster syndrome and I fight it on a regular basis.
Right. And I always like, am I, oh God, am I doing this right? Oh, is it going to be like, oh, you ain't showing me nothing. You ain't just, you know, and thank God for community. Right. I thank God for community. I have a wonderful friend correction. I have three wonderful friends and teachers. I got Dr. G love from SoulShifters. I got Dr. Stephanie Burns and Dr. Deanna Downs.
Black women or doctors, baby. I just realized, I just realized that. And they, oh, and I can't forget Maria. Oh, my heart.
Maria. They remind me on a regular basis of how great my mind is and how good my work is. That's collectivity. That's support. That's a system. And that's feminine. That's feminine. Because I suffer with it.
Right. That's one of my try. And I know I'm not the only one, but when you don't have a team of people and I'd be shouting them out all the time, I'd be like, hey, you know, I'm so appreciative of these people. Because I'm a hot mess over here. You know, I'm a hot mess. Y'all, they know I'm a hot mess. And I will send them a text or I will call them or whatever may happen.
And they'd be like, you know, everybody personally now is a different. Got one who will talk me through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you, your stuff was really good. And oh, you did a great job here.
And, you know, if you tell me something, this and this and that, I got one who was like, girl, if you don't sit your ass down, give it how you really need to hear it. All this great stuff you are here doing. Shoot, you know, if it wasn't for you, this person wouldn't be like.
Yes, we all need that friend. Right. I'd be like, oh, God, you know, and then I have one who's, you know, like my big brother, big sister who will sit here and be like, if you don't step into your power right now, and get it together. And I'd be like, you know, but that is what that's what everyone needs.
Right. That's what we need. We need that team. We need that support system. We need that community. We need the collective and those reminders to step into your power.
Right. Get into your power and get over those and those traumas. And when I say get over, I'm talking about not heal, because healing is a lifelong journey. Right.
But have your moment and then step out of it. Right. So, and those two and they do great work. They do great work. And like I said, they're not just my friends.
They also my teachers. Right. So she's the Dr. G level socialist.
Just saved my life a couple of times. You know, she don't know it. So, you know, if she ever watched this now, she knows, don't tell nobody.
But just told a lot of people actually. And, you know, out there doing that good, good work for the community. Right. Dr. Stephanie Burns out there doing that good, good work for the community. Right. Maria out there.
Come on. Stand in between the death door doing the good, good work. You know, and that helps me stand in my feminine energy because I'm surrounded by feminine energy.
Right. I'm surrounded by feminine energy who's going to hold you. And I wanted to put that out there because I think that was important to know that as I'm sitting here talking, and it seems like, oh, I got my stuff together.
I do today. Maybe not later, but at least right now. Right. Right.
Exactly. Maybe not later, but at least right now. At least right now. At least right now.
Look, I'm with you because I am connected. Yes. I am rooted.
Right. And when you are rooted like a tree doesn't mean you are fixed. It's a different between feminine and masculine energy.
Feminine is rooted. Maxillin is fixed. Fixed means you can't move it. It can't go nowhere. It's in there, stuck and stayed.
Right. Ruded means it spreads out. It just runs deep.
Yeah. It runs really, really, really deep down into that soil, into the ground underneath the earth, probably to the center of the earth. It runs really, really deep.
But it spreads out in all different directions. Yes. And it's connected to so many different things. Right.
And it changes and it grows as it spreads. That's what rooted is. Right. And so when we're talking about the feminine energy, and we're talking about protection and cleansing, we got to understand that we have to be rooted.
And we have to be connected to a community. Yes. Yes.
There's no, there's no, let's go back to the wolf. Yeah. Right. Pack.
When we talk about loma, if you read, I'm a big sci-fi fanatic. Yes. Yes. I love sci-fi shows, but I love sci-fi books. Uh-huh.
Or romance novels, I should say. Sure. But wolves and vampires and, you know, all those little kid things, right? Yeah. Yeah. All those little cute things, right?
The reverse harem, you know, Sam. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Sure. And if you read any of those stories about wolves of any kind, or if you look at how wolves run, they never run alone. And if there is a lone wolf, they always tell you how a couple of things will happen with a lone wolf. A lone wolf will go crazy. They will mentally go crazy where they will start to attack everything around them. And they also harm themselves because they lose their mind because they're not connected to a pack, because a pack is what keeps them stable and grounded.
Right? So that's one thing that happens when a lone wolf is not connected to a pack. They lose their mind, right? The second thing is they die early.
They die early. So where a wolf can live, I'm throwing numbers out here, these are not facts, folks. A wolf can live maybe 110 years in a pack.
A lone wolf will only live 50. You see what I'm saying? Yes. And so it's important to mention people in your life because they're part of your pack and your community, and they keep you rooted no matter what changes you grow or go through underneath the ground or above the ground. Right? Community is important. And anyone who says, I don't get along with females or I don't have a lot of friends means that they are, everyone is imbalanced, right?
Can we talk about, you know, bringing that feminine up? Yeah. That means that they are suffering.
They are suffering because they're so used to suffering, they don't recognize their suffering. You see what I'm saying? I do. 100%. Yes.
And anything go out there and get 106 friends, am I saying that? No, right. Exactly. Exactly. No, I hear you. I mean, community is so necessary. So important. Yes.
That's the, that's that's bringing that feminine to the front. And like you said earlier, and what's more important is that not only is community important for adults, community important for children. You know, I specialize in children. I love the babies. I love the babies. I love those with severe disabilities as I call it.
Sometimes people may get offended. I say my little crazies. You love them. I love them. The ones who be hearing voices and seeing things or, you know, those who are considered trouble, you know, I love those children and those, those special disabilities because first of all, they're used to the most nicest and kind of heart of people in the world.
They just got a little extra going on, right? But they need community. And one of the reasons why we have such a high population of foster care children is because they don't have community that they're supposed to have. That's one. Right. And key words that they're supposed to have, they may have family, but they don't have community. They may have a lot of people surrounded them, but they don't have community. Right. And so community for children who have, who's only been on this planet for a short time and experience a lot of trauma, it's very important.
It's very, very important. Right. And consistent community. Right.
Not someone they call every three, four months, you know, or every three, four years, but community is important. You cannot have a healed child. When I say healed child, I mean, someone who's, you know, who's getting the work or doing the work if you don't have community. Yes, I'm thinking about the inner child in all of us that so so so needs this there's such a push within Western culture and specifically within Western psychology of the individual the individual the individual and it's like yes and okay the individual is formed off of the multiple relationships that you have with other people and those relationships end up being mirrors to yourself exactly what you were saying earlier right of having those other people that you look to to say who am I and they need to be more than just a person. They're mirror back to you so it's impossible to ever take your identity your experience and isolate it into one specific self like that. There is a self but it's created through all of the relationships that we have. I always like that concentric circles right if there's all these circles that center point at the middle is you and so when you feel like an imposter and you look out to all those other people, and they remind you know you are this higher self you are this strong self you are this person.
That brings you up and that's why it is so changing when you reach out to those people and have that sort of like, I don't know raft and all the waves of life I mean that is what we need is interconnectedness, not interdependence but interconnectedness that is a necessity. Yep. Yep, well you know that that individuality and that independence is all masculine.
Yes. I was Freud way back. Well, you know, if you stand your woman up for too long. What. I think he had his own issues maybe he was projecting out. Yeah, production is. All do that right you know as a psychologist as a therapist.
Anyone who's in a field of caring or care taking or servicing people in general project right and we all have some form of trauma. We do. And in now. Awareness has become a thing. Right. Awareness has become a thing. And because awareness is now a thing. We're recognizing that hey we have trauma. And so that's the first step of doing any, any type of healing is being aware. Yeah right.
And in in in in. And being aware makes you want to change something. What you want to do something right because it shifts your emotions right so being aware brings the feminine to play right now awareness is a masculine thing. Right. And that's okay because we have to have both right but here's the thing, we tell my dualism right, you can't have one without the other right you just can't do it. Right now we are in balanced.
We get all masculine appear and the feminine is down here right and so we can't just doesn't work right and so that awareness comes into play with the masculine because they're now open in their eyes. Right. And I say opening that they not that they was, they've been in the dark but not in the dark. Right I know that they like how are you gonna die but you're not in the dark.
Yeah. Yeah, because the darkness, right, there's the darkness when you close your eyes. And then there's the darkness you go outside you still have the moonlight. Mm hmm. Right. So there's the internal darkness and then is that moonlight darkness right so they've been in the moonlight. They've been in the darkness with the moonlight where they still have some vision they still can see some things. So they still have awareness of that Oh there may be things around you. You know I'm saying you may not be able to figure out all the objects in the room. But you know is in the room. Right. So what brings the feminine in is in the dark and go Oh now I know that's a table and the table sitting on the left side of the table.
And we need to move it because it will hurt us. Mm hmm. Right versus saying hey there's an object right here in the middle of the room.
I don't know what it is. So I'm just gonna go and do whatever I'm do. So there's no fear there's no okay and it hurt us there's no decision making.
You don't say about what would benefit us emotionally or any of those things right we just know there's an object in the room. Thanks. And so if I go straight I won't hit the object. But if I turn, I may hit the object, and it may hurt and may not hurt. Right. You know, so let me go straight now make a logical decision.
I'm gonna go straight. Right. Okay, where that family comes in and say yeah, there's an object in the room. It's a chair.
Yeah. And you can go straight that's a logical decision, or you can sit your ass down at the table. You know, rest for a bit. You know, say, you know, depending on what else is in the room. Right. Right. But the family come in and tell you what is in the room, because the feminist is in that dark place right so they can see very clearly. They can see very clearly you see that that mask and see the object the feminist say hey that's a chair that's a table.
Right. There's a light on the wall. You want to see better go turn it on, you know, so you can feel better about yourself. You know you won't be scared no more you know all these other things. You know they bring in that emotional aspect they bring in the aspect that will benefit you and benefit everyone in the room versus saying hey, there's an object in the room. I don't know what it is we'll go ahead and keep straight.
But keep straight may have you fallen off the curve off the building. You can't see. But you was right. You didn't want to hit the table. So in that moment you need to keep straight, because you didn't know what it was.
You didn't know if it's going to call you harm or not. I know it's going to do. I'm going to tell you what it is. I know it's going to do. So, yeah.
Yeah, into that intuition because it knows the way it knows the way and that's another thing that psychology is not really honored is that sense of intuition of your inner compass and when you know the way yourself. This, this is true. This is true.
This is true. One thing I'm glad that a death psychology, especially integrative healing right. I'm glad I'm in this program. I didn't have any. I had no intention going back to get my doctorate but I'm glad that I did because we do talk about intuition. We talk about young, right. Young is all about the dreams, the archetypes, the inner self, the animal. So we do talk about the intuition, right. However, we don't talk about how to use or how to tap into the intuition, right.
And we don't talk about how that intuition can be. We touch it. We touch it, right. We touch it a little bit, right. When we talk about the ancestors and different realms and things that we don't, but we don't go into deeply into the different rounds part, right. We talk about the answers and we don't go deeply into it because it's varies for different cultures, right. Right. And my culture we rely on the ancestors heavily, right.
Heavily. That's that inner voice, right. Some people say that's the intuition. And I'm going to give it, I'm going to give another name for ancestors. We call them angels as well.
Because you know, that's what Christian folks out there don't like the word ancestors. So we might want to say angels. Well, you got angels. I thought you got angels protecting you and guiding you, right. Call them what you want, right. Call it what you want. But that helps with the intuition that gut feeling that you know they're speaking.
Yes. And if you don't want to use any of those to ancestors, angels, spiritual guys, then if you have a direct connection and God, you don't listen to God when they talk to you. Good luck. God, not your intuition. Right.
You know, saying so, you know, you have to listen to it that fleeting the fleeting. For example, I have Hannah on my hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is the first time I did this on my hand. Uh huh. So it, if you look close enough, you see there's some errors. It's okay. Right.
Yes. The thing is, for months, I woke up saying I need to get the Hina. Don't know why. Right.
So I had it is with me for four months. Say I'm a dude is I'm gonna do that. You know, but because I'm not an artist artist, I mean artists, but I'm not doing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just kept calling just kept calling.
And so I said, let me sit my butt down and do this thing. Right. But it was a fleeting thought. Very fleeting. Right. And for me, if it comes to me more than once, I might go ahead and do it, but it was a very fleeting thought and it's just Hannah.
It's cute. Right. But then I had to step when I start doing that thing about the tradition that Hina comes from. African do Hina we Hina is known for India. Right.
Hindu. But we failed to realize that Africans in Africa do Hina like crazy. Right. And if you think about it when you think of the Indian and Hindu I'm sorry for the offending people, their roots are in Africa too. Right.
So somewhere across that migration, they brought those tradition and cultures right. And so I'm sitting here doing I'm like, Oh, okay, because I have stuff that's coming up. And they're telling me, Hey, you need to do a B and C. Don't worry about if you know what you're doing or not I need you to do a B and C for reasons. And it took me to sit down and start playing on my hand to realize, Oh, Hina is a tradition is indigenous practices that you usually do for celebration for protection for a gambit of different things. And so then it started coming to me.
Well, originally when it came to me real fleeting, I just thought it was for beautification. Yeah. Oh, yeah, but you.
Right. And so you get a father intuition, it will lead you somewhere and bits and pieces will come to you. And so having that intuition is important.
Yes. And the second piece of then listening to it, right, because it might come in these small little pieces and then you can easily go into the intellect and be like, Well, yeah, but that's just random. That's just like a random occurrence that this like showed up like that. So I don't believe it. So it also takes that second piece of like leaning into it and having the faith of like, Oh, that's a weird pattern that keeps showing up.
I think maybe that might actually mean something that I should follow. Right. Right. It's true. Listen, listening is hard, man.
Oh yeah. I'm hard headed. I know a lot of people are because listening is hard, even when you know better. It's still hard to do. You know, it that go back to my consistency and practice, even if you think there's nothing, you know, we get up and brush our teeth every single day. We think nothing of it. Take us about less than five minutes to brush our teeth. It's a ritual. We do it every single day. With most of us do.
Yeah, exactly. If you're out there with stank mom, I need you to get it together. I'm not guessing that I'm not. But we, so, and it's something, but it's important because if you don't do it down a line, your teeth going to fall out, you're going to have bad or, or, or gums, divided. And then we call it cause you pain and bleeding and all these things. And so we don't think about that, but we get up and do it every single day. And it takes us less than five minutes and it's simple and it's easy and it's quick. Right.
That's the same thing for your protection. You start doing it like you learn how to brush your teeth. That consistency. Same thing about your intuition. If you start doing it, like you learn how to brush your teeth and be consistent with it. Then it's, it's come a second nature, our first nature that when that free thing come you listen and you move. Yeah, right.
Yeah, because you don't ask yourself. This is the thing. Someone's like, Oh, I don't feel like doing it. It's like, you never sit and ask yourself, do I feel like brushing my teeth tonight? No, you just move because you know, you know, Nike, right? You just do it, right? You just go. Right.
You just do it. And yes, it's been ingrained in us from the time he was little. Right. But the type of toothpaste you use hasn't the type of toothbrush you use hasn't. I'm sure your regiment of flossing and all those other things that you may do wasn't your when you was younger.
Your mama gave you a little toothbrush and use whatever toothpaste you put on your little stick and you get scattered and brush your teeth and that's about it. But everything you do now is something that you picked up and implemented into your ritual. Right. You know, saying same thing with you wash your face. You know, some people don't wash your face every day.
It's okay. I'm not saying you have to unless you wear makeup, you know, saying, you know, you put the cleanse on your face you may put some tone tone. What you call it to make your skin soft. Oh God, moisturize her moisturize it but I use. I use this fancy thing that you take it you put it on before you go to bed and you wake up in more.
Fancy. I forgot what it's called but it makes your skin soft and help with aging. Yeah, I think it is the type of serum. These fancy words. Right. You know, forgive me.
Yeah. But it's a rich is, you know, a regiment that you do you gather different things, and you figure it out how to use it and you figure out what works for you, and you keep adding but you don't give up black people black women in their hair. Yes, we do our hair every single day, even if we don't do our hair to the full extent which mean we may not do a whole big fancy style, but we touch it we put it back in a ponytail, we do something to we do a little thing real quick so that we can be looking decent, we you know we may spray it and moisturize it then walk out the door we may do a dropping a wash and go, we do it every single day. It is a ritual that takes forever. That is not something that you could just do in five minutes. Even if you have short hair is going to take you still long unless you are really really, you know, bald on the side but even then you're going to moisturize it and you're going to brush it and you're going to do what I was a step one of five minutes. So if you can do that.
Then you can be consistent right and intentional about working and listening to your intuition and doing what it tells you to do about working on your regiment on healing and protecting your mind. That's that feminine. Right. And implement those things and make it and following your soup, whatever that is. You can do it. You say it's hard. Yeah, everything is hard and everything has to start at a place. Yeah.
That's all I got. I'm going to go back to the beginning. And it was beautiful and I could feel like all the intuition even coming through and what you were speaking and sharing here so it's been extremely extremely powerful so I want to thank you for sharing all of your energy on this space and with all the listeners. Thank you.
Inviting me. I do have one question if you feel like there's nothing else on your heart that's really you want to say that I do ask everyone on the podcast. It's almost kind of like you said the ritual pieces right it's the closing question of the experience. All right, I'll hit you with it. Yeah.
Let's do it. I ask everyone, what is one thing that you wish other people knew was more normal. Talking to yourself. I wish the other people knew that talking to yourself out loud is a healthy thing is a good thing. And reality is a normal thing.
And I wish that more people do it and make it normal. And when I say talking to yourself. I am not saying have arguments for blown arguments with yourself. Right. I am saying that speaking out loud, your thoughts is okay.
Have thoughts for your day or your day. Whether you in a room full of people and they're listening or not listening, or if you're by yourself. Right because sometimes a lot of times, actually, what's in needs to come out your, your breath. It's a breath of life. This, when you speak that's energy that's leaving your body and traveling this whole world.
Right. And so when we speak, we're bringing that energy out of our bodies, right. And that allows us to move things out of us to shift things that's in us to make space. And so by speaking things out loud or having those conversations or having those thoughts out loud.
So, it can be healing actually is healing right. I say this all the time and I don't know I forgot where I got it from, but I say this, I talk to think, or I think, always flip it sometimes. I think talk or talk to think, which means that I talk out loud when I'm processing. So if I'm talking if I make a phone call to you, or to someone else, and I'm just talking about an idea thought, it's because I'm processing. If I'm sitting here, and I'm working, I may be sitting like, I do that I don't know why I did this great idea, because I'm processing right when I go to the water, or go outside. I talk to the water and I talk to the trees right. And even though I'm like I'm talking to the water and trees. I'm really just talking out loud. I'm getting out my system, so that I can make room for something new.
Right. In order for me to give myself opportunities. I got to release the things that's holding me back. And sometimes I don't know what that is. And to I just say it whatever it is on my mind.
Yeah, out loud. Well, that is like what did I do that, you know, sometimes I feel, you know that I'm just not good enough. I should, I should, why do I feel that way. I shouldn't feel this way.
I just, those type of conversations, right, and people may think you're crazy for doing that. Right. Let them.
Let them. Right, because we're not going to be perfect to nobody. So, no, they, what they want to think, because you having that conversation like that.
Right. And saying, what do I think that, why did I do that. Oh, did I mess up that I do it right. And you know, saying, Oh, no, I did that fine.
I did that right, because what happens is, and keyword I said in the beginning is don't argue with yourself. Which means don't beat yourself up. Don't talk to yourself negatively.
negatively. Don't talk down to yourself. Don't degrade yourself. Don't disrespect. That's what arguing is.
Right. It's treating yourself unkind. Don't do that to yourself out loud. But process out loud. Right.
Right. Walk out loud. The things that you feel that is confusing you or frustrating you and then follow that up with things that okay, well, you know, yeah, this is making me frustrated that I said here and I did all these things, you know what that's okay, because I can now do a B and C and yeah, because as you sit here and do that, you getting that out, you starting to have new thoughts and say, Oh, but I can do a B and C not to do this and this and that. You see what I'm saying. And you feel lighter. Yeah.
I will want people to talk to themselves out loud more and make it become normal. Yeah. Right. Now again, no full blown arguments.
Were you yelling and screaming at yourself. No purpose. That serves no purpose.
But having conversations, speaking things out loud, post power. Absolutely. And it releases. Yes. Yes.
Yes. Oh, you have shared so, so much wisdom and I'm so thankful for your time and the energy that you shared here with speaking and sharing your message. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for inviting. I appreciate you. This has been a load time.
I don't talk a hold in your head. And so you know I like that. It's good. It's good. It's powerful. I need to hear it.
I know so many other people need to hear it and it's going to be consciousness. Right. Like, that's the power of these conversations. I don't know.
Yeah. That's that hole in your head. Rolling your hand and penetrate your mind and drop you a some diamond pieces. Hopefully to somebody we good. I consent.
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